What if the best leadership lessons aren’t found in boardrooms… or even on the battlefield? In this episode of Changing the Rules, Ray Loewe sits down with Vice Admiral Dan Cooper (Ret.) to explore leadership through an unexpected lens—a legendary college football coach. Dan shares personal stories about his friend, Notre Dame’s Lou Holtz—not the public figure, but the man behind the reputation. Through a series of powerful, behind-the-scenes moments, a different picture of leadership emerges: Making hard decisions when it would be easier not to Showing up for people—every time Seeing potential others miss Building loyalty that lasts a lifetime This isn’t a conversation about football. It’s about what real leadership looks like when no one’s keeping score. Because maybe the rule worth changing is this: Leadership isn’t about how many people follow you… It’s about how many people you lift.